Comments on: How NOT to do the Classic Pass #1: Don’t pull with your left fingers! http://aaronfishermagic.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/how-not-to-do-the-classic-pass-1-dont-pull-with-your-left-fingers/ Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:16:34 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Ryan DeSalvio http://aaronfishermagic.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/how-not-to-do-the-classic-pass-1-dont-pull-with-your-left-fingers/#comment-1441 Ryan DeSalvio Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:57:31 +0000 http://aaronfishermagic.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/how-not-to-do-the-classic-pass-1-dont-pull-with-your-left-fingers/#comment-1441 I use the spread pass most of the time. When I'm sqaring up the pack I tilt it to the side as if to square up the sides and it joins with the other pack. I do use my left fingers alot for my classic passes though. I use the spread pass most of the time. When I’m sqaring up the pack I tilt it to the side as if to square up the sides and it joins with the other pack. I do use my left fingers alot for my classic passes though.

]]> By: Nikodemus http://aaronfishermagic.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/how-not-to-do-the-classic-pass-1-dont-pull-with-your-left-fingers/#comment-1430 Nikodemus Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:11:50 +0000 http://aaronfishermagic.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/how-not-to-do-the-classic-pass-1-dont-pull-with-your-left-fingers/#comment-1430 For information on the half-move concept, see the Roger Klause book "In Concert", by Lance Pierce. For information on the half-move concept, see the Roger Klause book “In Concert”, by Lance Pierce.

]]> By: Keith Brown http://aaronfishermagic.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/how-not-to-do-the-classic-pass-1-dont-pull-with-your-left-fingers/#comment-1394 Keith Brown Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:14:07 +0000 http://aaronfishermagic.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/how-not-to-do-the-classic-pass-1-dont-pull-with-your-left-fingers/#comment-1394 Hey Geoff, I would love to hear more about the half move concept. Could you go into more detail or direct me to a source? Thanks, Keith Hey Geoff,

I would love to hear more about the half move concept. Could you go into more detail or direct me to a source?

Thanks,

Keith

]]> By: Aaron Fisher http://aaronfishermagic.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/how-not-to-do-the-classic-pass-1-dont-pull-with-your-left-fingers/#comment-1388 Aaron Fisher Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:58:31 +0000 http://aaronfishermagic.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/how-not-to-do-the-classic-pass-1-dont-pull-with-your-left-fingers/#comment-1388 See! I told you! So glad to hear it brother. So glad... See! I told you! So glad to hear it brother. So glad…

]]> By: Connor Martin http://aaronfishermagic.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/how-not-to-do-the-classic-pass-1-dont-pull-with-your-left-fingers/#comment-1387 Connor Martin Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:49:03 +0000 http://aaronfishermagic.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/how-not-to-do-the-classic-pass-1-dont-pull-with-your-left-fingers/#comment-1387 Geoff, that is an interesting Idea. I loved the way you applied half moves to your "ready to link" trick. I never performed it until I saw your half move get ready. I might have to see a video of what you are talking about to fully understand what you mean though. Anyway... The reason I am posting again is because over the past few days (after intially reading this blog post) I have completely eliminated my left finger movement and all I can say is WOW! My pass has improved ten fold. It just happens like BLAM! It has become such a quicker more concise action. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I finally got some money in my bank account and I am buying paper engine tomorrow. Can't wait for more gold. Thanks again. -Connor Geoff, that is an interesting Idea. I loved the way you applied half moves to your “ready to link” trick. I never performed it until I saw your half move get ready. I might have to see a video of what you are talking about to fully understand what you mean though.

Anyway… The reason I am posting again is because over the past few days (after intially reading this blog post) I have completely eliminated my left finger movement and all I can say is WOW! My pass has improved ten fold. It just happens like BLAM! It has become such a quicker more concise action. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I finally got some money in my bank account and I am buying paper engine tomorrow. Can’t wait for more gold.

Thanks again.

-Connor

]]> By: Geoff Williams http://aaronfishermagic.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/how-not-to-do-the-classic-pass-1-dont-pull-with-your-left-fingers/#comment-1384 Geoff Williams Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:53:29 +0000 http://aaronfishermagic.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/how-not-to-do-the-classic-pass-1-dont-pull-with-your-left-fingers/#comment-1384 Here's something some of you might find interesting. I've been working with a concept I call "spotlight camouflage" that goes something like this: Instead of guiltily trying to hide the lightning-fast move, and create tension and suspicion, why not slow things way down, stop in the middle of the move and, as crazy as it sounds, openly draw attention to the deck? My classic pass is done as above. I call it the "Estimation Pass" because at the halfway point where I stop and comment that the card "is about halfway down in the deck, more or less." My feeling is that, if you do not try to get away with hiding the pass, people won't recognize the pass as a move. I use this same technique for a get-ready for a triple/quad/whatever turnover. Flies right by magicians, too. The above is also based on Roger Klause's concept of half-moves. Try it out. I miss Roger. Here’s something some of you might find interesting.

I’ve been working with a concept I call “spotlight camouflage” that goes something like this:

Instead of guiltily trying to hide the lightning-fast move, and create tension and suspicion, why not slow things way down, stop in the middle of the move and, as crazy as it sounds, openly draw attention to the deck?

My classic pass is done as above. I call it the “Estimation Pass” because at the halfway point where I stop and comment that the card “is about halfway down in the deck, more or less.” My feeling is that, if you do not try to get away with hiding the pass, people won’t recognize the pass as a move.

I use this same technique for a get-ready for a triple/quad/whatever turnover. Flies right by magicians, too.

The above is also based on Roger Klause’s concept of half-moves. Try it out.

I miss Roger.

]]> By: Connor Martin http://aaronfishermagic.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/how-not-to-do-the-classic-pass-1-dont-pull-with-your-left-fingers/#comment-1381 Connor Martin Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:28:31 +0000 http://aaronfishermagic.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/how-not-to-do-the-classic-pass-1-dont-pull-with-your-left-fingers/#comment-1381 I was pulling with my right hand a little bit. The majority of the force used to accomplish my pass was a yanking up of the bottom packet. But I think this has helped me make my pass more consistent in it's fluidity. Because before, when I would pull down with my left fingers, every now and then the two packets would collide causing the shift to stop right where you don't want it to. Great tip. Oh, by the way, I'm gonna buy your book tommorow from lee's site. I got a little 15 percent discount for being on his list and I figure now is as good a time as any. I really think the information in your book is going to help me a lot. I look forward to it greatly. Thanks again -Connor I was pulling with my right hand a little bit. The majority of the force used to accomplish my pass was a yanking up of the bottom packet. But I think this has helped me make my pass more consistent in it’s fluidity. Because before, when I would pull down with my left fingers, every now and then the two packets would collide causing the shift to stop right where you don’t want it to. Great tip.

Oh, by the way, I’m gonna buy your book tommorow from lee’s site. I got a little 15 percent discount for being on his list and I figure now is as good a time as any. I really think the information in your book is going to help me a lot. I look forward to it greatly.

Thanks again

-Connor

]]> By: Hank http://aaronfishermagic.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/how-not-to-do-the-classic-pass-1-dont-pull-with-your-left-fingers/#comment-1380 Hank Sun, 02 Nov 2008 09:14:43 +0000 http://aaronfishermagic.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/how-not-to-do-the-classic-pass-1-dont-pull-with-your-left-fingers/#comment-1380 I first learned the pass form Erdnase, and then Giobbi's Card College, but rarely relied on it, until recently. When standing, as I often perform, I favor the Ortiz shift to the classic pass, (explained in Darwin's Scams and Fantasies) - instead of the top packet tilting over to the right side and going underneath, the bottom packet is tilted underneath and then brought round to the top from the right side. The face of the deck is tilted forward quited a bit to give the spectators the best(?) view, completely shielding the bottom packet tilt and "get ready" until the last possible moment. The pass is indispensible for two Ortiz effects I do, "The Last Laugh" and "Pocket Money," two of my strongest tricks. Without the shift or pass, neither effect would be nearly as strong. An indetectable pass creates the illusion of impossible magic. - Hank Milligan I first learned the pass form Erdnase, and then Giobbi’s Card College, but rarely relied on it, until recently.

When standing, as I often perform, I favor the Ortiz shift to the classic pass, (explained in Darwin’s Scams and Fantasies) – instead of the top packet tilting over to the right side and going underneath, the bottom packet is tilted underneath and then brought round to the top from the right side. The face of the deck is tilted forward quited a bit to give the spectators the best(?) view, completely shielding the bottom packet tilt and “get ready” until the last possible moment.

The pass is indispensible for two Ortiz effects I do, “The Last Laugh” and “Pocket Money,” two of my strongest tricks. Without the shift or pass, neither effect would be nearly as strong.

An indetectable pass creates the illusion of impossible magic.

- Hank Milligan

]]> By: Ben Train http://aaronfishermagic.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/how-not-to-do-the-classic-pass-1-dont-pull-with-your-left-fingers/#comment-1379 Ben Train Sun, 02 Nov 2008 05:55:05 +0000 http://aaronfishermagic.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/how-not-to-do-the-classic-pass-1-dont-pull-with-your-left-fingers/#comment-1379 Hey Aaron, Great topic. As an Erdnase buff (and fan of card work in general) I played around with a shift but gave up on it after deciding there were better, or more important, things to focus my attention on. Well, I've changed my mind now. So, here are some things that bother me about MY pass. I won't publish how I've fixed them (because many I haven't) but these are things wrong with MY pass. 1. Finger movement. I agree with you so much, this is a big issue, but the BIGGER problem with mine (and most peoples) seems to be the RIGHT finger movement. Erdnase suggests several solutions, including fulcrum points, and finger positioning. He also EXPLICITLY states that while "most teachers advise assisting the action by having the fingers of the right hand pull up on the lower packet...we believe the blind is much more perfect if there is not the least change in the attitude of the right hand fingers during or immediately after the shift". I DO have an issue with the left hand though. When I execute the shift my left index finger shoots out- need to fix that. 2. The blur. Something Peter Francis and Howie pointed out to me (references just for you Aaron!)- when the packets transpose there is a flash in the left corner. 3. The little finger break. I get the break, but I need get my finger further into the pack to execute the shift. This means movement. 4. Position of the pack before and during the pack. Dip? Turn? Bring up to the finger tips? Etc. Anywho, some concerns of mine. Always love reading your blog man! All the best, Ben Hey Aaron,

Great topic. As an Erdnase buff (and fan of card work in general) I played around with a shift but gave up on it after deciding there were better, or more important, things to focus my attention on.

Well, I’ve changed my mind now.

So, here are some things that bother me about MY pass. I won’t publish how I’ve fixed them (because many I haven’t) but these are things wrong with MY pass.

1. Finger movement. I agree with you so much, this is a big issue, but the BIGGER problem with mine (and most peoples) seems to be the RIGHT finger movement. Erdnase suggests several solutions, including fulcrum points, and finger positioning. He also EXPLICITLY states that while “most teachers advise assisting the action by having the fingers of the right hand pull up on the lower packet…we believe the blind is much more perfect if there is not the least change in the attitude of the right hand fingers during or immediately after the shift”.

I DO have an issue with the left hand though. When I execute the shift my left index finger shoots out- need to fix that.

2. The blur. Something Peter Francis and Howie pointed out to me (references just for you Aaron!)- when the packets transpose there is a flash in the left corner.

3. The little finger break. I get the break, but I need get my finger further into the pack to execute the shift. This means movement.

4. Position of the pack before and during the pack. Dip? Turn? Bring up to the finger tips? Etc.

Anywho, some concerns of mine. Always love reading your blog man!

All the best,
Ben

]]> By: Mark Andre Primus http://aaronfishermagic.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/how-not-to-do-the-classic-pass-1-dont-pull-with-your-left-fingers/#comment-1378 Mark Andre Primus Sat, 01 Nov 2008 13:31:56 +0000 http://aaronfishermagic.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/how-not-to-do-the-classic-pass-1-dont-pull-with-your-left-fingers/#comment-1378 In my opinion the difference between the Erdnase Classic Pass and other descriptions is the movement philosophy. The classic pass as he describes it follows the common thread in Erdnase passes, that of automatically shifting the packets based on pressure points, rather then accomplishing the shift by finger movement. The pivot point of the right hand packet, along with the pulling motion of the thumb, allow the packets to be shifted in a relaxed manner with almost no finger movement merely by raising the deck higher in the hands. My version of this is a conceptual handling of the pass, and is not perfect, but I'm working on it. ;) Andre In my opinion the difference between the Erdnase Classic Pass and other descriptions is the movement philosophy. The classic pass as he describes it follows the common thread in Erdnase passes, that of automatically shifting the packets based on pressure points, rather then accomplishing the shift by finger movement. The pivot point of the right hand packet, along with the pulling motion of the thumb, allow the packets to be shifted in a relaxed manner with almost no finger movement merely by raising the deck higher in the hands.

My version of this is a conceptual handling of the pass, and is not perfect, but I’m working on it. ;)

Andre

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